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 Post Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:05 am 
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the yardbirds are a cool band indeed, its a shame that keith relf was killed by a faulty electric guitar!

I used to work in JJB sports, a sports/leisure shop in the uk whilst I was a pharmacy student, and the assistant manager, a man who would have been twenty in roughly about 1967, the same age as my dad, always maintained I looked like keith relf (I was trying to look like brian jones myself!)

Those were the days


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the yardbirds are a cool band indeed, its a shame that keith relf was killed by a faulty electric guitar!


Keith was killed by the infamous ground-wire-to-the-tailpiece prevalent in the 1960's. Check your old guitars for this wire at the tailpiece and cut it off at the source!

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the yardbirds are a cool band indeed, its a shame that keith relf was killed by a faulty electric guitar!


Keith was killed by the infamous ground-wire-to-the-tailpiece prevalent in the 1960's.
And still fitted as standard on 99% of new electric guitars sold, including all Rickenbackers.

Actually it wasn't that which killed him - it was simply the conductor which allowed it to happen. What actually killed him was the fact that either his amp or the PA was live and not grounded (I have no idea which) and the other was grounded. When he held the mic and his guitar at the same time, the current took the path between the two. The guitar was not faulty at all - but essentially it *was* that little wire to the bridge or tailpiece which completed the circuit, yes.

Some other fairly well known musicians have been killed the same way, two I can think of being Les Harvey of Stone The Crows and John Rostill who played bass with the Shadows for a while (though not when he was in the band) - and countless others have had shocks ranging from painful to fatal. Why it's still not only allowed but actually approved practice, I have no idea.


Gibson EB-2s and Epiphone Rivolis are really cool too - they certainly aren't a 'modern' bass, but they have a sound that no modern bass can do either, so if you want that specialist tone then they are, and always will be, great basses and highly sought after by the small number of people who do want it.

A long time ago I had a '64 EB-2 in sunburst and a Rivoli (unknown year) that had been badly refinished in a sort of dark brown and de-fretted, which I made a better job of. I sold the EB-2 to the bass player in Jools Holland's Rhythm & Blues Orchestra - I've no idea if he's still got it, I haven't seen him with it on the TV show. I can't remember what happened to the Rivoli, I must have sold it. I miss both of them actually...

I've seen the bass player in Heather Nova's live band using an EB-2D too - sounded great, although I've never liked the look of them as much with the little bridge pickup, it spoils the clean look of the original single-pickup one.


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 Post Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:53 pm 
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I think The Animals, The Yardbirds, Gerry & The Pacemakers, and many other British Invasion groups used the Epiphone Rivoli, rather than the Gibson EB-2, with the exception of the "To Sir With Love" movie group, who used a circa 1960 EB-2.

The bass intro to "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" by The Animals, shows the Rivoli/EB-2 sound with the "choke" or "filter" switch ON. (the low frequencies "filtered" out).

Clearly, the 1960's bass sound was a semi-hollow sound.
Paul Revere & The Raiders used a Vox semi-hollow bass.


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The early to mid '60s guitar sound was predominantly semi-hollow too - Fenders, Les Pauls and other solids had been popular in the mid 50s, when they were the only type of electric guitars apart from big-bodied fully hollow 'jazz guitars', but by the late 50s the Gibson 335 series, Epiphones, Gretsches - and of course Ricks - had taken over. I'm sure I read somewhere (I'm not quite that old to remember it personally!) that back then, semi-hollows were generally considered 'better' guitars with better tone than solids, and it wasn't really until the mid to late 60s when fuzz pedals and much louder amps came in, and the style of music went a lot heavier, that solids really came back into fashion.

Certainly Rose-Morris had a very hard time of it selling any 600-series Rickenbackers over here, even though the 300 series was flying out of the shops - they actually sent some of the solids back to Rickenbacker when no-one wanted them after a couple of years. Almost all the popular European electrics of the period were semi-hollows too - even if not all of them have f-holes.


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Some other fairly well known musicians have been killed the same way, two I can think of being Les Harvey of Stone The Crows and John Rostill who played bass with the Shadows for a while (though not when he was in the band) - and countless others have had shocks ranging from painful to fatal. Why it's still not only allowed but actually approved practice, I have no idea.



If I hadda nickel for every time I forgot to test the mic and my Fender amp grounding and received unintentional shock therapy.....well....I could afford to buy the other Ricks I want.....


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Yo Zurdo! I'm returning to Florida in August. My house is in West Volusia County and my job will be in Orlando. I'll look you up. I also learned by ear, all the vocal parts as well as the bass lines note for note of every song. However, I still can't help improvising on some of them, just for experimentation's sake and gits and shiggles!


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John Entwhistle, in addition to playing some fine Rickenbackers, played both a Gibson EB-2 and an Epiphone Rivoli in the early days of the Who/the High Numbers.


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Yo Zurdo! I'm returning to Florida in August. My house is in West Volusia County and my job will be in Orlando. I'll look you up. I also learned by ear, all the vocal parts as well as the bass lines note for note of every song. However, I still can't help improvising on some of them, just for experimentation's sake and gits and shiggles!


hey! you mean you have a job in Orlando? "oohh, what a lucky man, he was...."

you bet, shoot me an e-mail when you're settled.

I used to visit Philly at the Hotel Atop The Bellevue, in the center of Philadelphia, where my girlfriend was the house singer at The Founder's Room for 8 years with her Minnie Acosta Trio. She had an incredible pianist and bassist, Terry and Paul Kleinfelter; Paul is a monster bassist who also plays double-bass with the Philadelphia Philarmonic, and he is a Beatles and Rolling Stones freak. Great memories from 1994 to 1997.

Zurdo


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Some other fairly well known musicians have been killed the same way, two I can think of being Les Harvey of Stone The Crows and John Rostill who played bass with the Shadows for a while (though not when he was in the band) - and countless others have had shocks ranging from painful to fatal. Why it's still not only allowed but actually approved practice, I have no idea.



If I hadda nickel for every time I forgot to test the mic and my Fender amp grounding and received unintentional shock therapy.....well....I could afford to buy the other Ricks I want.....


Hee... me too. Btw I was told NEVER to touch the guitar with the left hand (which is natural for a right handed guitar player) as your heart will take part in an electric circuit - maybe even killing you - as the power will go from the mike thru your mouth and thru the left side of the chest (=heart) thru the left arm and thru the strings - back to the amp (or vice versa) in case of a failure...


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