Board index » Just Guitars




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:41 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:11 am
Posts: 5
Hi Uffingdon, thanks for the feedback. I cant wait till this guitar is done and i cant wait to see the progress videos once Vic gets cracking. Its my understanding that he has the neck more or less where he wants it now and has ordered all the original parts to go back onto the guitar (they have to be original parts as that was a promise made to my deceased uncle who left it to me, it was left on condition that it gets played and restored to its original condition). Im not sure if Vic has ordered the pots in or has just requested a new loom (i dont know if that would even include the pots but im guessing it would).

Apparently Rickenbacker dont currently have stock of the bridge we have requested and as such the other parts are on hold until they can all be shipped together in order to avoid paying more on import tax etc. Vic recently did a full set up of my other guitar (Epiphone 93 Riviera model), I didn't think much work was needed doing but Vic essentially re did all the electrics, changed an intermittent 3 way switch, Set the neck tension correctly, did the intonnation, action etc as well as a full polish and crowning of the fretboard. His attention to detail was most impressive and also the passion for his work is what instills me with confidence that he is absolutely the right man for the job.

I'd still like to know what model this originally shipped as before work commences so any further help is gratefully appreciated. Thanks to all who have so far contributed.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:55 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:37 am
Posts: 30
Location: UK
Sometimes a sense of humour doesn't translate so well across the Atlantic especially with someone who is new to the site! It's probably better to at least let a person get a foot in the door before commencing with light-hearted banter. It just avoids confusion...

Anyway, it's nothing to worry about so let's say no more about it!

It's my 50th birthday anniversary today and I'm having a great day :P

If I could source a wiring diagram, I would re-build a loom myself but it looks like I will just buy one pre-soldered. I have many authentic parts on order at http://www.pickofthericks.com/ but they don't have a bridge in stock so I am waiting until they re-stock (I don't want to have to pay 2 lots of shipping to the UK)...

_________________
----------------------------------
http://christianguitars.co.uk
http://ngoneseven.com
----------------------------------


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:33 am
Posts: 21
Location: NRW / Germany
NG17_Victor wrote:

It's my 50th birthday anniversary today and I'm having a great day :P



Dear Victor,

congratulations!
Just to say or better sing it in this way.. :D


_________________
best regards,
Claus


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:54 am 
Offline
Site Admin
Site Admin

Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 4038
Location: Santa Ana, CA
A number of issues have cropped up here that I'll answer in bulk, rather than individually.

1. North American dealers are not permitted to sell RIC goods outside the area unless there is no distributor in a given country. The UK is, of course, represented quite well by Rosetti. Regretfully we're going to have to do some dealer agreement enforcement here.

2. We have no way to identify this specific guitar as this is not its original serial number. The production log from that era only says that it was a stereo jackplate model. It would require significant further investigation of paper records to determine what DB133 was originally.

3. I did do a cursory check through the Rose-Morris file and didn't see DB133 listed but I wouldn't call that definitive.

4. Pots in that era would have been 500K and 250K. The 330K standard came along many decades later as a universal replacement for both, which allowed us to buy a better quality part for essentially the same price, since the quantity was so much greater. These modern ones are custom made components with a special taper designed to work well with tone and volume applications.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:06 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:11 am
Posts: 5
Thanks John,does this mean then that the parts Vic has ordered cannot be legally dispatched to us?

Thanks for your time again John I know your a busy man.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:37 am
Posts: 30
Location: UK
Steve Bates wrote:
does this mean then that the parts Vic has ordered cannot be legally dispatched to us?


I can get them shipped to my in-laws in Canada then they will forward them to me ;) It will still be less expensive than buying over here :)

_________________
----------------------------------
http://christianguitars.co.uk
http://ngoneseven.com
----------------------------------


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:20 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:37 am
Posts: 30
Location: UK
And I will refurbish it to 300 series/1997 specification as that is most likely what guitar it is! At the end of the day, it will look right and it will play right!

_________________
----------------------------------
http://christianguitars.co.uk
http://ngoneseven.com
----------------------------------


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:37 am
Posts: 30
Location: UK
JohnHall wrote:
1. North American dealers are not permitted to sell RIC goods outside the area unless there is no distributor in a given country. The UK is, of course, represented quite well by Rosetti. Regretfully we're going to have to do some dealer agreement enforcement here.

Right! I get that!

2. We have no way to identify this specific guitar as this is not its original serial number. The production log from that era only says that it was a stereo jackplate model. It would require significant further investigation of paper records to determine what DB133 was originally.

The buyer of this guitar was told it was a 1958! Is there absolutely no way at all of identifying this guitar?

This guitar will never be sold due to it's sentimental value but, for insurance purposes, what is it worth?

_________________
----------------------------------
http://christianguitars.co.uk
http://ngoneseven.com
----------------------------------


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:02 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:45 pm
Posts: 32
Numbers on the pots are;
31056 1*7 3648
31055 13* 6401

For the record the first pot reads:

31056 1*7 6348

The missing numbers are 137 which is the company who made them, CTS.

So both pots are the correct date for a early 64 instrument. IMHO I would trust the pots more than I would trust serial number records, especially with Rose Morris instruments. Nobody knew back than, we would be treating these issues like biblical scholars. lol

With regard to value, I would insure for about 4000 pounds.

But if you were going to sell, I would take off all parts and show the wood has never been altered.

If I was going to rewire, I would buy three vintage pots and vintage capacitor to match the others. Do a correct color cloth wiring. Many pics of this on google image. May take awhile to find, but worth it.

The toggle switch may be new, with the white plastic piece showing. Ric had special long treaded arms made, as opposed to Gibson and most others with short arms. Pull off the toggle cap and see if it is a Ric or Gibson length.

Other parts you could source in the future:
1. 60's bridge plate. (should have two circles on the bottom)
2. Single line Klusons tuners
3. two more 60's knobs
4. 60's pick guard. On the upper guard they had a very sharp point on the pointed part. They all appear to be hand shaped.

The great part of this guitar to my eye, is the wood never had a mod.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:37 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:37 am
Posts: 30
Location: UK
Thanks ric483 :)

That's a great bunch of info! I've been all over eBay looking for parts. I was going to buy all genuine parts barring the wiring loom as I was going to buy a pre-soldered one! However, I will try and source original spec' pots/caps and will make one myself (if I can find the parts). I'm a big fan of CTS pots! I can solder well but I am not an electronics expert and cannot follow a schematic. I need to see which lugs connect to which wire/cap etc so will need good clear pic's to follow :P

I personally don't like the gold button tuners on there at the moment and would probably prefer vintage Kluson's in chrome! They would look more authentic to me!

It's real hard to find authentic vintage Rick bits here in England so I may have to go for modern replica's from http://rickysounds.co.uk or somewhere similar. Unfortunately, parts are more expensive over here (almost double US prices) which I've never understood :P

I have the pick-guard and will reshape it if I need to.

The wood has not been touched on this and I'm not changing anything! The scrapes/scratches/dings/dongs/wear is staying put!

Thank you so much for your help!

Vic :)

_________________
----------------------------------
http://christianguitars.co.uk
http://ngoneseven.com
----------------------------------


Top 
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

Board index » Just Guitars


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests

 
 

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron

Register    Login    Forum    Search    FAQ
X