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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:46 am 
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New pictures:

As it came to me;
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Body/controls;
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Serial plate;
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Controls;
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Bridge with modified plate to accept TOM (see next pics);
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Bridge + TOM bridge;
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Roller bridge (this will be replaced with the correct official bridge);
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Electrics / pots as it came to me;
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Frets: These are not straight! Replacement fretboard???
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Chip + piece to glue back in;
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Heel;
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Headstock;
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Neck with wear to the neck itself (beneath the fretboard)! Does this mean the fretboard was replaced?
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Tailpiece;
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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:49 am 
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Uffingdon wrote:
I hope someone explains to this guy how the vintage "hairpin" truss rods work or that geet will need more than just a re-fret! :shock:


It would have been nice if you weren't so brazen with this comment! Let's be polite and assume that some people really do know what they are doing! Before undertaking a job of this importance and, knowing how much this guitar means to the owner, I always research thoroughly before commencing work. Thank you :)

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:10 am 
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I'm the owner of the above guitar and I'm interested in having this restored to it's original condition as it left the factory.We've never actually confirmed the model number on this guitar and I'm very keen to find out what model it originally shipped as.I appreciate that John's a busy man but any information you can give to help me and Vic( the man doing the work with over 30 years experience of repairing and building guitars) return this to it's original condition would be helpful.The guitar holds great sentiment to me as it was left to me by my uncle who bought it in the late 60's/early 70's and has had it ever since.It was left to me on premise that I have it restored to it's original spec.One again I appreciate and help and guidance that can be provided.


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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The modified switches remind me of Roger McGuinn's 370/12 with the Byrd wiring.


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:39 pm 
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I don't know much about the history of this guitar other than its been cherished by a loving owner for 40 years.My uncle played keys most of the time for his latter musical life, the guitar hadn't been played for many a year and needs a lot of TLC.

He was in a band called the squares during the late 60's/early 70's they played a lot of gigs and toured with the undertones amongst others.This guitar has some stories to tell and I can't wait to make her sing.

Help us return this instrument into the best it can be.Advice, a starting point if you like.We can't start work until we know where to start from.

Thank you for your time reading ladies and gentlemen.I hope for some constructive advice .


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:03 pm 
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Dating the guitar. The big blue capacitor is original IMHO. The pot you pointed out as maybe original does not look original to me, but the bottom two do. What are the numbers on them? Should start 137 space than four numbers. year and week.

I would leave the bridge and bridge plate, because it seems to set in there fine. I would worry with a new bridge plate you have to drill two new holes. The roller bridge does have its issues with the B and high E string, because they can move side to side inside the bridge slot when you bend strings. If that's an issue get either a new Ric bridge or a a third party non-roller vintage replacement for playing purposes. And leave the original in the case.

Are the tuners gold?


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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The current roller bridge is bent in many places and the rollers don't move! I'm replacing it with an original 'non-roller' bridge! Yes, the button tuners are gold and were replacements by the last owner (Steve's uncle Kevin). They are vintage type with horizontal screw holes (1 at each end running thru' the center). There is no name on them but they are smooth and feel like a quality tuner....

Numbers on the pots are;
31056 1*7 3648
31055 13* 6401
* = cannot see due to solder...

I have no idea what the BIG thing with the numbers on is. It's very much like a varitone (click-to-position) pot in it's action/feel. Maybe it's a tone-thing (like a varitone) and it cuts out different frequencies in different positions for a wider tonal range (that's my guess). It looks like it's never see any solder...

Hoping to get some information and what this guitar actually is!!! And, what should it be with that serial???

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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So, the 2 pots are original = that's good!

I have no idea what the switches/toggles do as I have never had this guitars with strings on it yet!

I wish I could find an actual diagram of the electrics so I can copy them and make a new loom! I don't mean a schematic as I can't follow one of those! I mean an actual drawn diagram of all 5 pots and where the caps/wires connect on each lug etc...

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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And what pots are these and where can I buy them? Am I right in thinking original pots are 300k? Who makes them?

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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NG17_Victor wrote:
Uffingdon wrote:
I hope someone explains to this guy how the vintage "hairpin" truss rods work or that geet will need more than just a re-fret! :shock:


It would have been nice if you weren't so brazen with this comment! Let's be polite and assume that some people really do know what they are doing! Before undertaking a job of this importance and, knowing how much this guitar means to the owner, I always research thoroughly before commencing work. Thank you :)



Sorry if you found my comment "brazen", that was never my intention. I'm known to have a very dry sense of humor that I guess does not translate well at time's on a forum such as this and am following your progress with great interest and am looking forward to it's conclusion.

Moving on it does appear from your photos that the clear coat on the fret board may have been removed as the wood grain looks very dry and open, it might suggest a not so good earlier re-fret which could possibly explain the miss aligned frets you mention.
As for replacement pots RIC uses CTS 300k pots but may have used a different value back then?

Anyways all the best and welcome to the forum,

Uff


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