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 Post subject: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:53 pm 
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Diehard Church fans have the 'Goldfish...' DVD (or VHS) already, but the 'Metropolis' clip ran on VH1 this afternoon. Nice shots of Marty Willson-Piper with his repro Rose Morris 1993 (?). How did John Hall describe it: 'the one that fooled people who should know better' -or something to that effect.
The camera even pauses on the peghead for a moment. Lots of Accent vibrato movement in the video too.

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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:02 am 
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Marty Willson-Piper was one of the reasons I became a Rickenbacker fan (and collector). I remember shelling out exactly $1000 cash for my 360v64/12 my last year of college ('89 or '90).

Marty has 360's on the cover of a couple of his solo albums- he's posing with a fireglo 360 on the cover of Rhyme and playing one live on the cover of Hanging Out in Heaven.

He also sold a vintage '67 (pretty sure) mapleglo 360/12 via the Churchlist last summer. I'm still kindof kicking myself for not jumping on that auction.

I have to say, though, that Marty can be a little "hard" on his guitars, at least back around the Heyday/Starfish/GAF tours. I've seen him turn a 12 string into a 6(ish) a couple of times; once the strings start to break its a chain reaction. I've seen him slide his guitar across the stage bowling-ball style to the guitar tech when changing guitars between songs. But most of all, I remember him smashing a 360/12 (which by then was a 360/7 or so) at the end of concert kicking off the Starfish tour (which may be the best performance I've ever seen). It was incredible yet heartbreaking.

A decade later, it seems he's mellowed out a bit (ok, a LOT). The last time I saw the Church, they opened with Marty playing a Fender (jaguar or jazzmaster or something) and Peter Koppes playing a Ric 360, which is flat-out backwards. After a bit they shuffled around and Marty was back on the 360, although the real highlight (guitar-wise) of the show was the big classical guitar solo at the end of (some song whose name escapes me)- very cool.

LMoE


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:43 pm 
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Hi, I'm new to the forum, so I hope I get the ettiquette right with submitting posts, etc.

The guitar you reference in The Church video is now in my possession. I think the model would be a 1997SPC WB VB. It has Marty's customised Accent vibrato handle which works really well and typical MWP wear. His initials are scratched into the woood under the TRC.

I believe this guitar (6-string) was made with a 12-string partner at Marty's request as is a bit of a one-off (well a two-off if you count the 12 string!).

Actually, I'd be tempted to sell it if I got the right offer. I'm into 381s. Let me know if anyone is interested. I can send pictures etc. to e-mail addresses.

Cheers, Clive.


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:08 am 
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Marty has had a long association with Rickenbacker and owned many of them over the years. Here's an interesting quote from him about the one he played in the video for the Church's biggest hit "Under the Milky Way":

MWP: "When we did the Milky Way Video I wanted to use a Ricky acoustic that I'd seen in the Rickenbacker Museum in their factory.It had a weird arrow shaped headstock and I asked them if I could borrow it for the vid.Somewhere the wires got crossed and the Rick man arrived at the shoot with the one I ended up using.The one I used was more amazing in a vintage car kind of a way.It was from 1948."

Also, some general quotes from Marty about Ricks: "I'm not very good on the model numbers of Ricks,but I've found that any 60's Rick that I've bought 6 or 12 sounds a hundred times better to my ears than any after that decade.My black 12 string Mcguinn re issue from the eighties though is a particularly nice guitar and plays better than any other modern Rick I've touched and has a sound unlike the 60's guitars.It has a special chime about it and whereas the newer guitars can be characterless but almost posh like BMW's and the old ones demandingly characterful like old Jags that guitar is like a Maserati saloon.Inconspicuous quality."

and: "On guitars again I used a solid body Rick with a Khaler Trem for a while that had the fine tuning near the bridge because I found I just couldn't get the eternal sustain out of the semi acoustics.I've always had to have an amp set up that allows me to get a good clear sound out of a 12 string and alot of sustain out of a 6 string and that solid body Rick seemed to allow me to do that for songs like Chaos while I was still able to get a sound from the semi acoustic for Reptile.So in fact I would have three different guitar sounds without actually changing my amps.On the last couple of Church tours I've used my Strat as my electric 6 as it kind of does the job of a solid and a semi Rick at the same time and as I could only really bring two guitars with me I felt it was a good compromise.In a perfect world I would just use Ricks live.My black 12 a couple of old semi 6 strings,one solid body ,but it's a lot of guitars to cart around.Actually I'd probably also have a Shergold 12 as an extra 12 string and have an old Rick 12 as well but I had two such guitars stolen and I try to leave the old and the unusual at home these days for use in the studio.I have a beautiful 1960 Rick 6 which is all heart that I've used on the Starfish/GAF LP's which I try and use in the studio when I can but it needs an armed escort wherever it goes.I also have a 1966 red Rick 6 with three pickups that was butchered before I bought it with a badass bridge but the butchering has given it a really great twangy sound as the scale has been shortened.A happy accident and a great guitar but an abomination to purists. "


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:27 pm 
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Marty has had a long association with Rickenbacker.. (my edit) "


Al, thanks for the really cool, interesting bit of info. I've never been a huge Church fan (probably because they dinna have the bombast, teenage angst or overt propaganda that floated my boat when they were first making records (when I was "young and dumb and full of.." well, you might know the rest (g), but I've always respected 'em and liked what I've heard. I'm kinda psyched now to dig around and give them the listen (sans fluctuating teenage hormones (G) they deserve.

Best, Tony


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:35 pm 
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Tony,

There are a couple "best of" CDs out there that could be a good place to start with the Church's poppier material. Their 1992 album "Priest=Aura" is generally considered their best, though "Heyday" (1985) might have a bit more Rickenbacker jangle to it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:03 am 
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I'd probably qualify as one of your more die-hard Church (and MWP) fans, but I wouldn't rank Priest=Aura anywhere near their best. I'd certainly put Heyday, Starfish ('87?), the Blurred Crusade ('82?) and Forget Yourself ('02?) well ahead of it.

For pure Rickenbackerphiles, Heyday-Starfish-Gold Afternoon Fix ('89?) is the most obvious stretch, as well as any of the Marty Willson-Piper solo albums (excepting the live ones, which were acoustic shows, but excellent nonetheless).

I'm such the fanboy.

LMoE


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:22 am 
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I'd probably qualify as one of your more die-hard Church (and MWP) fans, but I wouldn't rank Priest=Aura anywhere near their best. I'd certainly put Heyday, Starfish ('87?), the Blurred Crusade ('82?) and Forget Yourself ('02?) well ahead of it.

For pure Rickenbackerphiles, Heyday-Starfish-Gold Afternoon Fix ('89?) is the most obvious stretch, as well as any of the Marty Willson-Piper solo albums (excepting the live ones, which were acoustic shows, but excellent nonetheless).

I'm such the fanboy.

LMoE


As a fellow die-hard Church fan I have to agree with you on this. Priest=Aura was a little weak.

And FYI for anyone trying to cop the Marty Willson-Piper 12 string sound - He changes the octave strings on his Rickenbackers to be on top like most other 12 string guitars brands. Blasphemy! That's one of the first questions I aksed him and he confirmed it. I had the great honor of speaking to him in Chicago when they were touring around the time of the Box of Birds CD. Marty went on and on about guitars and touring and was all smiles. Steve Kilbey on the other hand...



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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:23 pm 
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Saw MWP during the summer and he managed to break a tuner on his gaffa tape special about 5 minutes before going onstage.

He seems to suffer from a lot of accidents ;)

Rob...


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 Post subject: Re: The Church 'Metropolis'
 Post Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:01 am 
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It's so good to see some Seancers and HotelWombers on here.

Well,for me, it's Kilbey's playing that made me get into the bass and I wish he did play a 4005 instead of that Coronado II bass.

But I love WMP and PK's playing and use of Ricks.

Glad to me here and hope to read more about The Church.

Ed
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